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Old 02-21-2010, 03:49 PM   #1
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Hi, I would just like to post a few methods that I know of that you can use to practice TF2 on a Competitive Level. (Competitive Being 6v6 with 1 Medic, 1 Demo, 2 Scouts, 2 Soldiers)

If your completely new to CompTF2 than I HIGHLY recommend that you start off by practicing in a few well known public servers that are designed around CompetitiveTF2 play.
  1. TF2F #1 | Pro like Chro | Provided by Apoplexy Industries @ 208.100.17.252:27016
Once you feel that you have become accustomed to the idea of CompTF2 you should try something somewhat more advanced or a PUG. Short for Pick Up Game. These PUG's as I call them are more organized versions of what you might find on the public servers above. As a result communication is vastly important, even more so than individual skill, therefore a MICROPHONE is necessary. PUG's are great to practice your Deathmatch abilities but more importantly they work on your Communication, Teamwork, and Strategy.

There are two ways to join a PUG.
  1. Sign Up for an account at TF2lobby and join a PUG.
  2. Download MIRC and Mumble then join the IRC channel #tf2.pug.na/tf2.pug and join a PUG.
Keep in mind that you should always start with tf2lobby and then move onto tf2.pug.na if you are completely new. Those that play on tf2.pug.na are far less forgiving than the ones that play on tf2lobby.com.

Once CompetitiveTF2 no longer feels like a new concept to you. You should try to join a team that matches your skill level. Whether it be Low/Mid/High you can find a team that matches your skills at the CommunityFortress Recruitment forums.

One last tip is that you should ALWAYS play to HAVE FUN. IF you play for FUN you will become a great player trust me.

~UPDATE~
Chance's Quake Bible is a text resource that is hard to explain but at the same time game changing. A must read for any aspiring competitive gamer.

Getting out Death Matched to much for your liking? Practice on a DM server.
  • TF2F #2 | Official SOAP DM | Provided by Apoplexy Industriesv @ 208.100.17.253:27015
  • ACE 24/7 SOAP DM Server | teamace.net @ 209.40.97.233:27015
  • CommFT North American Deathmatch -- Powered by Aigaming.com @ 66.207.169.183:27015
~UPDATE~

(Please comment below if I have missed anything or if you would like to see something added.)

EDIT: Thank You Defiancd for pointing out that PUG's use Mumble.
EDIT: Thank You Jeeka for noting that there is only ONE Pro Like Chro.
EDIT: Thank You Grimm for providing the link to Chance's Quake Bible.

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Old 02-21-2010, 06:59 PM   #2
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Old 02-21-2010, 07:06 PM   #3
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Yeah, #tf2.pug.na is a channel for more well known/experienced players.
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Old 02-21-2010, 07:45 PM   #4
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keep in mind that when you play PLC, it's still a pub. It's a pub with league players, but its still a pub. Trying to carry pub tactics into a pug setting will usually get you screwed over (I know because I got solidly wiped on my first two pugs).
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and interestingly, the same works in reverse. trying to employ competitive tactics in a pub can sometimes be a bad idea.
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Old 02-21-2010, 08:03 PM   #6
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I agree that the tactics you'd employ on PLC are vastly different from those that you'd use in a PUG. However the general concept of CompetitiveTF2 is still present.
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Old 02-21-2010, 08:26 PM   #7
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PLC is a great way for players to learn to not relay on their crits, if you see a few players from a single clan name you recognize on there it a good thing to hop in and watch what they do..
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Old 02-21-2010, 08:48 PM   #8
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PLC is a great way for players to learn to not relay on their crits, if you see a few players from a single clan name you recognize on there it a good thing to hop in and watch what they do..
Usually when I see players from well known clans in Pro Like Chro they are playing Huntsman Sniper or playing Pyro for some reason.
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Old 02-21-2010, 08:55 PM   #9
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I would say before you do any of this read some of the guides to competitive play.

http://www.ubercharged.net/how-to-pl...ive-tf2-guide/ is a decent one, and there are plenty of others. These won't make you pro or anything, but they will go over the basic ideas behind 6v6, and the general idea of how you play a class and your responsibilities.

OP I don't know if you have done a tf2.pug/tf2.pug.na or not, but they do not use vent. They use mumble, which you can download here: http://mumble.sourceforge.net/.
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Old 02-21-2010, 09:09 PM   #10
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I would say before you do any of this read some of the guides to competitive play.

http://www.ubercharged.net/how-to-pl...ive-tf2-guide/ is a decent one, and there are plenty of others. These won't make you pro or anything, but they will go over the basic ideas behind 6v6, and the general idea of how you play a class and your responsibilities.

OP I don't know if you have done a tf2.pug/tf2.pug.na or not, but they do not use vent. They use mumble, which you can download here: http://mumble.sourceforge.net/.
Sorry I was under the impression that they used Vent. I will make the necessary amendments in my post. Thank You.

I didn't include the textual guides on CompetitiveTF2 because I honestly don't find them that informative or helpful beyond common sense.

Also could someone please clear up whether or not there are really two Pro Like Chro's?

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Old 02-21-2010, 09:36 PM   #11
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The Wiki is a good place to learn about competitive TF2.
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Old 02-21-2010, 11:57 PM   #12
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Usually when I see players from well known clans in Pro Like Chro they are playing Huntsman Sniper or playing Pyro for some reason.
that's because the pro like chro server is a place for those people to just have fun. its their equivalent of pubstomping, so to make it interesting for themselves they off-class and just screw around.
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the pro like chros both have the same ip, there's only one xd
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that's because the pro like chro server is a place for those people to just have fun. its their equivalent of pubstomping, so to make it interesting for themselves they off-class and just screw around.
It's what I do, I go there and dick around as pyro or spy. No point in putting on my serious face in a pub.
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Old 02-22-2010, 03:16 AM   #15
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the pro like chros both have the same ip, there's only one xd
I figured as much. Thanks for the heads up Jeeka.
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Is having a low mouse sensitivity as a scout really important? i started a couple weeks ago trying to get pretty good at scout, but i use an ingame mouse sensitivity of 6.0 at 3200 dpi, the ubercharged article writer says he uses 0.7 at 3200 dpi.... i have a hard time imagining anyone competitively using such a low sensitivity let alone it being advantageous... if its important and something im going to eventually have to do, i guess its better to work on lowering sensitivity now then later though...
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Personal preference, it's all it is. You do what you feel can give you the best chance to make the shots you need to make.
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Excerpted from Chance's Quake Bible, which by the way is a great resource for getting better competitively (although it's for Quake, it still applies to TF2)...

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"...Next you need a sensitivity you can stand behind 100 percent. To do this, you need it to meet the demands of the arena with absolute ease and comfort. This means setting it high enough for those quick yet important placement shots, and having it low enough to maintain a steady track."
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I preach Chance's quake bible. Go read it and read it good, actually read it and soak it in. Then when you start to get better, go read it again.
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I agree with the above post and it has certainly helped me towards reaching my goal to becoming an invite heavy weapons guy player.
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I preach Chance's quake bible. Go read it and read it good, actually read it and soak it in. Then when you start to get better, go read it again.
Just read it for the first time. My mind = blown. Definitely deserves a couple reads through. We've all requested Sigma write an encyclopedia... Maybe Sigma's TF2 Bible is a better title ;)

I'm glad to have learned about this resource from you gents.
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I read it for the first time last night, and it put some of the notions I had already conceived into a text form as well as vastly expanding upon them.

It's amazing.
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Wow. Just wow. I've been looking for something like that all my gaming life, and I didn't even know it.
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I took a nice long read at Chance's Quake Bible and I believe that it provided far more insight than either the GotFrag or Ubercharged.net articles on CompetitiveTF2. Therefore I will be adding that particular resource to my thread. Thank you all for your support and keep the suggestions coming. I will do my best to update this thread religiously. I am also searching for more public servers that have a competitive focus.
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i gotta say that until this thread i had never heard of this 'quake bible', but after reading through it and getting to the third page i've decided that it is the best (and by that i mean most abstractly written) guide to behaving like a professional that i've ever seen/read before.
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Do SOAP DM Servers have a place in this thread? Or do DM servers contribute nothing to the overall experience of CompetitiveTf2?
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DM servers are going to help you in the battles for mid that devolve into out fragging one another, it'll also help with aim and avoiding damage, basically it's just a nice way to practice your individual skill.
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I'll get to adding those servers soon.
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This looks like the right thread to ask about TF2Lobby. I'm running our very first team in CEVO-A Season 5. Preseason has been gravy. LOL

I'm all over these CommFT resources and am grateful.

I'm interested in a little more explanation of TF2lobby.com

Everyone has their accounts and have logged in to it correctly.

I've created a lobby and specified our own server, w/ password, etc. We were doing 6v6, but only had 5v5 at the time.

Everyone was marked ready...I hit transfer and it just kept blinking.

I wasn't sure if everyone needed their TF2 game up or not, like if it gets auto launched.

(yes im familiar w/ the analogy to l4d lobby)

I'd like to ask for an How To for like the following scenario(s), if someone was so kind with their experience:

1. Generally entering a Lobby, you pick what is available?

2. You join an Open Lobby, therefore go to whatever server is determined.

3. Using Private Server Option


a. login tf2lobby.com
b. start tf2?
c. Create/Join Lobby?
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