dubel_07

Points: 3,305, Level: 37

Activity: 91.7%

Maplist Nominations, 9 weeks. Post 'em if you've got 'em.

I promise badlands, granary, and gravelpit will be in this tournament. Custom maps will be considered but most likely not used.

My proposal in no particular order:

• badlands
• granary
• gravelpit
• cold/warmfront
• viaduct/pro viaduct
• freight_final1
• gullywash_final1
• foundry
• lakeside

And I apologize for atrophy, I was young and naive. I guess I should also clarify that the cash prize values are relative to how many players we have. If we have 2 players, the most we can offer is $10; if we have 64 teams registered, we'll be able to offer first prize of $1,000.

Scholar

Points: 661, Level: 13

Activity: 25.0%

snakewater?

mightymonarch

Points: 1,306, Level: 21

Activity: 8.3%

Freight, Foundry and Lakeside aren't the greatest. I'd much rather see Snakewater, Standin, Obscure_remake, or even Ashville if you absolutely had to have a second koth map.

dubel_07

Points: 3,305, Level: 37

Activity: 91.7%

You will not see Standin in this tournament because it is not a stock map or even a standard competitive map. Obscure, on the other hand, is my favorite map; though most players don't share my enthusiasm.

bairmaster

Points: 843, Level: 16

Activity: 8.3%

ashville and atrophy are actually fun

__________________
sincerely,
master of bairs

mustardoverlord

Points: 3,784, Level: 40

Activity: 8.3%

replace freight and lakeside with snakewater and something else

or just snakewater for one of em

theduderman

Points: 1,865, Level: 26

Activity: 8.3%

No Foundry, No Lakeisde. I like the idea of getting Snakewater in there. I'd prefer the "improved" versions of maps, for sure... warmfront and pro viaduct. Why not a Turbine Pro for fun? CTF gets no love anymore...

Zigzter

Points: 2,563, Level: 32

Activity: 0%

Your love for the QuickFix equals my love for CTF.

__________________
Player coL.PYYYOUR left the game (Kicked by Console)
coL.carnage : just kicked him from col
coL.carnage : hate that guy

Scholar

Points: 661, Level: 13

Activity: 25.0%

What is with all the foundry hate? Valve finally gives us a decent map and you are not willing to give it a chance?

Sigma

Points: 7,327, Level: 59

Activity: 16.7%

My biased opinion:

Remove warmfront, freight, gully, lakeside (maybe it's good? But I've never heard of it). Add snakewater, standin, pro turbine (I love ctf, so what?), and, uh... maybe leave gully in.

Also, foundry is a good map. Leave it in.

pyyyour

Points: 5,031, Level: 48

Activity: 16.7%

cp_pro_dustbowl

ctf_mach4

cp_broma

Hawkeye

Points: 5,566, Level: 51

Activity: 8.3%

• Gravelpit
• badlands
• granary
• pro_dustbowl
• mach4
• pro_turbine
• gullywash

mustardoverlord

Points: 3,784, Level: 40

Activity: 8.3%

I agree with sigma, only I definitely wanna leave gully in rather than just maybe

dubel_07

Points: 3,305, Level: 37

Activity: 91.7%

Keep the ideas coming, I'll give it a few days and compile a new list for you.

dubel_07

Points: 3,305, Level: 37

Activity: 91.7%

I'm not really keen on adding CTF maps since the community is pretty split on the quality of the mode for competitive play (myself included). HOWEVER, if you put up a good enough argument I'll be tempted to reconsider.

Another key thing to consider is that the maps need to be STANDARD to ANY mode of play, whether it be pub or competitive; just because a league used a map one time does not mean it is a standard map (aka standin). I'm OK with swapping out Foundry or Lakeside for Snakewater.

Free

Points: 4,384, Level: 44

Activity: 41.7%

While lakeside is a blast in Highlander, I have to agree it's not such a good choice for 6s. Snakewater is a great alternative.

prestige

Points: 59, Level: 1

Activity: 8.3%

freight, seriously? is this because it is euro rules?

i'd probably say esea map rotation + yukon/foundry. maybe add both and replace standin/fronts/whatever.

clorg

Points: 1,107, Level: 19

Activity: 0%

badlands
granary
gravelpit
cold/warmfront
viaduct/pro viaduct
follower
gullywash_final1
snakewater
yukon


stock =/= standard
I don't care if freight, lakeside, or foundry are "standard" pub maps, that doesn't make it okay to just throw them in there.

Boomersoonr

Points: 2,076, Level: 28

Activity: 16.7%

lakeside and freight shouldn't even be in this discussion.

clorg what I think he's saying it is has to be a vanilla game-type, aka 5cp, attack defend, or ctf

Basic

Points: 1,026, Level: 18

Activity: 0%

badlands
granary
gravelpit
snakewater
warmfront
viaduct_pro
gullywash

DontTellDave

Points: 1,169, Level: 19

Activity: 8.3%

badlands
granary
gravelpit
warmfront
pro viaduct
Follower
gullywash_final1
Snakewater
Yukon

shdw.puppet

Points: 3,599, Level: 39

Activity: 66.7%

yes. OH HELL YES.

dubel_07

Points: 3,305, Level: 37

Activity: 91.7%

After all the crap you guys gave me when I put follower in Season 8 I didn't expect to get requests for it again. I really like this map rotation--not necessarily the order but the maplist is pretty solid.

Any outstanding objections? Remember that you will be using the map versions that I decide on so as to avoid any confusion.

Sigma

Points: 7,327, Level: 59

Activity: 16.7%

Do the people asking for follower remember playing it back in s3-s5? It's not as bad as some maps, sure, but I think the glaring problems with it -- not worth holding yard, incredibly hard to stop backcaps to 2 (backwards dropdown) -- that disqualified it as a league choice back then are still compelling reasons to not play it.

Then again, I guess if you're opposed to standin and foundry, there aren't enough maps left and you have to use follower...

shdw.puppet

Points: 3,599, Level: 39

Activity: 66.7%

I just have really fond memories of follower and still have more fun on that map than other maps like warmfront. I want to give other maps a chance to shine though too, and would love to see warmfront, viaduct etc replaced with foundry, croissant and the like, if only to see how they play out.

I guess my choice would be, this comes as a caster as much as a player.

granary
badlands
gravelpit
croissant
the new standin
snakewater
follower
cp_ashville (is it closer to being done now?)
follower/gully

mustardoverlord

Points: 3,784, Level: 40

Activity: 8.3%

one could make the argument that, to go with the vanilla team, perhaps the maps should be either nostalgic or popular in europe

dubel_07

Points: 3,305, Level: 37

Activity: 91.7%

I would be shot for going with a Euro maplist because it includes Obscure. I actually did a ton of research to try to determine the best maps for a vanilla playstyle and the majority of the ones that I found were either popular in comp Euro TF2 and hated by NA players or were stock maps with a few exceptions.

Standin will not be in this tournament. Not at all.

Harbleu

Points: 1,586, Level: 23

Activity: 8.3%

badlands
granary
follower
pro_viaduct
pro_dustbowl
gullywash
well
gpit

i never had a problem with follower and it was never voted out, it was just removed from the rotation for no reason. BRING BACK FOLLOWER

mustardoverlord

Points: 3,784, Level: 40

Activity: 8.3%

europe abandoned obscure a long time ago, the only reason they played it at all recently was because byte claimed the remake version fixed all the old problems, but people ended up hating it even more than the original one

Hawkeye

Points: 5,566, Level: 51

Activity: 8.3%

Obscure's biggest issue was it was very stalemate prone, I remember watching matches that ended up being decided by who owned mid in overtime. It's not a favorable pace for a comp map since it gets very boring for the players. I really have no idea why it keeps getting brought up..

Follower also has some issue's that Sigma pointed out previously, but it was at least fun to play on. Obscure simply was not fun for anyone.